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Add "Only in edit controls" mode for typing echo #17505
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Great work on this, thank you. |
I think this needs a changelog entry as well. |
See test results for failed build of commit 8a5bed9868 |
See test results for failed build of commit 259e6d5452 |
Very nice addition @cary-rowen! Thanks. I have some questions:
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@cary-rowen , thanks for this.
I think that you may add a helper function in globalCommands, similar to the toggleBooleanValue
function, for config flags, and use it for toggling typed characters and words.
For reference, see toggleBooleanValue
in globalCommands.py
, introduced in PR #16994
…olean to integer conversion.
Hi @CyrilleB79
Could you please confirm if these behaviors are what you're asking about, and what the expected behavior should be in these cases? Many thanks |
Regarding default settings, I'd also love to hear suggestions from NV Access, I'd personally like to see new options provided as defaults for the same reasons as @CyrilleB79. @nvdaes |
@cary-rowen IMO, the expected behaviour with the new option in ssh password case and in read-only edit fields such as synthesizer is that NVDA should not speak anything since nothing is actually visible on the screen. |
thaaaaanks! should I really beleave that from now on we can get rid of the t. This pc 10 of 18, or space. playback stopped, and space. Playback resumed, with out needing to install the best ever addon made by @cary-rowen that addon was the best, because I alwayes liked and needed to keep typed characters and words, but I hated how they are announced everywhere, I was thinking, how stupid, the option it self is called speeck ('"typed"') characters and words, but why whe were hearing it everywhere? whe are not typing anything! whe are using our keyboard to use and explor our computer! but from now on, at least we don't have to use an addon to solv this really annoying this. And, really thank you @cary-rowen for resolving such problem for us until now. befor your addon releace on the stor, I was using an old and less buggy vertion of an unknown addon called typing settings to solv this for my self. greate feature! |
@cary-rowen speaking typed characters outside of edit fields does not make sense anyway, because they are not typed, but only pressed. For that we have the input help feature already if people need to learn the keyboard layout outside of edit fields. |
@Adriani90 hi. No, I also don't agree for removal of that in my opinion because, input help is a thing, but this is stil needed for some people where they need to press some keys and need to be announced for them what they've preased and what came up, or what happened as a result, while some newbie people need to turn on input help, press a fue keys that they need, and turn of input help, and make sure they've pressed or pressing the correct key. Also, for a groupe of users with old habit, better to not remove it but rename it instead for example, from on, to everywhere. so the options are as folows. off, in edit boxes only, everywhare. |
@CyrilleB79
I agree that there shouldn't be any feedback in the read-only edit box after enabling the new options introduced by this PR. This is currently as expected. cc @seanbudd |
I agree with @amirmahdifard I am totally not in favor of removing the original mode. |
It's worth noting that visually, nothing appears on the screen. It's quite a bad design IMO, because users cannot know if and how many characters they enter (or delete) when pressing a key. Though, sighted people and blind ones are equally impacted in this case. IMO, this issue should not be a reason to hold off this PR. |
@cary-rowen but, if you haven't allready, please rename the "on" to everywhere" because on does not have any meaning anymore in this cace, because both ways are on, but we are only indicating where to announce the characters and words. In edit boxes only, everywhere, or off "do not announce anywhere at all". Thanks. Once that's done, this pr is completely done and ok like the addons which were tryed to impliment this feature. this is ready to go and i'm gonna excitedly wait for the next releace which I can uninstall addon and have this feature natively with in nvda it self. |
Not very important, but
Rather than "Everywhere", I would probably call it "Always" to contrast with the "Only" of "Only in edit controls".
I personally agree with the suggestion to make "only" the new default, or upgraded version of the current "enabled" state.
By far, I think this is what users would have wanted "enabled" to mean all along, and it doesn't seem to be a very harmful change even if someone dislikes it.
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However, I would like to have feedback when typing the password in ssh
Doesn't the "Speak passwords in all enhanced terminals" setting in Advanced, already cover this situation?
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Link to issue number:
Fixes #16848, related #10331, #3027
Summary of the issue:
Currently NVDA can only toggle typing echo (characters and words) on or off globally. Users want more granular control to only have typing feedback in edit controls, while keeping it off in other contexts like listss or non-edit areas.
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