Throw grenades instead of just dropping them on the floor

[necessarily-equal]

This also lowers the added speed a bit to avoid throwing them unreasonably far

[slipher]

So the formula is like missile->speed + missile->lag * (player speed)? So it seems the patch decreases the human's throwing strength a bit, but allows him to do it while running using his momentum 🤔

[necessarily-equal]

Exactly

[cu-kai]

I'm not entirely convinced this is a problem which needs solving, especially as it has not been tested in gameplay yet. It feels like a solution in search of a problem.

[sweet235]

Newton would be pleased. I, however, am worried that a human using a jetpack can reach speeds that make a grenade fly through half of the map. Let's test this.

[sweet235]

Let me elaborate on that. Grenades are terribly strong. A common question from new players is why they are so expensive. The answer is, of course, that they can wreak havoc in the alien base. Accidentally throwing a grenade into the human base regularly requires admin intervention. They are among the strongest weapons in the human arsenal.

Grenades, as they are now, require a human to be very close their point of denotation when throwing them; at least in non-vertical situations. We should be very careful with changing this.

Here is a somewhat related video, for fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_DIR--yRK0

Edit:
That video is actually very much related to this PR. Once we require grenades to be consistent with Newtonian mechanics, we will have to do the same for projectile weapons. This is what we will end up with.

[necessarily-equal]

For the record, I don't intend on merging this in the current state since 3 people exprimed strong doubts about the idea. I guess this would need more testing.

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[illwieckz]

Throw grenades instead of just dropping them on the floor

I'm curious about this sentence, as grenade are already thrown. You can, for example, look high over a barricade to throw the grenade over the barricade to reach the alien base behind it. One can reproduce this in plat23 successfully.

Aiming with grenade has its own learning curve but it's really a useful game mechanics and it works for me™.

Example: https://dl.illwieckz.net/b/unvanquished/shots/grenade-throwing/20230117-160835-001.unvanquished-grenade-throwing.webm

[illwieckz]

This repository has no longer use as it is not a submodule anymore:

• Undoing unvanquished_src.dpkdir submodule Unvanquished/Unvanquished#2625

If there is still something to merge from it, this PR should be redone on https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished instead.

I let this PR open so the one redoing the PR on the other repo can close it when it's redone if it has to be redone, so we know what PR is redone or not yet.

[necessarily-equal]

Let's close it for now because people here were not enthusiastic about it. Might redo it in a gameplay mod someday