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Support for Kubelka-Munk theory "pigment-based" color mixing #2
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There are a lot of moving parts to be considered! Similar to CMYK where ICC profiles are not restricted to 4 colour prints (e.g. CMYK vs CMYKOGV), I'll need to make some decisions around handling N-channel spaces. The paper uses 4 primary pigments, whereas spectral.js appears to use 7. The paper recommends defaults (Phthalo Blue, Quinacridone Magenta, Hansa Yellow, Titanium White) but ultimately the pigments used are the artist's choice, so I'd want to support customisation. spectral.js uses hardcoded SPDs and I don't know what pigments they refer to. I'm also not familiar enough to know why only SPDs are being used in spectral.js and not absorption and scattering coefficients as described in the paper. Making things more difficult, it seems like the kind of datasets used in the paper are unavailable, unless I'm missing something?
I will probably investigate a first pass at a not-fully-integrated version (as with CMYK), if I can find suitable data. |
Back reference to where the idea started: https://discourse.vvvv.org/t/vl-mixbox/22649 |
Hey, thanks a lot for looking into this! TBH I didn't really read the paper... Concerning your questions regarding spectral.js maybe this issue provides some answers. I was able to find the Excel spreadsheet using wayback machine: |
Ah excellent, that makes a bit more sense now, I'll take a look when I get a chance! There's also more detail about the spectral.js implementation here but I'll need more coffee before I try to follow along 😄 |
One more thing while it's on my mind: if this does lead to some notion of |
I've not forgotten about this, but I wanted to figure out how to support genuine CMYK using ICC profiles first as it's a much more common use case. There's still work to do there (notably for ICC v4 profiles), but it made me wonder: could "pigment-based" mixing (at least for the suggested defaults Phthalo Blue, Quinacridone Magenta, Hansa Yellow, Titanium White in the first instance) be captured as an ICC lookup transform (4-colour to LAB D50 and reverse)? I don't know anything about creating an ICC profile but it might be a shortcut to supporting a first pass without customisation of pigments. The ICC have a registry of CMYK profiles that each has its characterisation data reference e.g. FOGRA39. Perhaps with similar data for pigment-based mixing, the conversion could be distilled down to an elaborate series of lookup tables for convenience🤔? |
I haven't a clue, tbh. |
I've spent some time looking into this on the I'm confident I can support some level of Kubelka-Munk mixing but I'm not yet feeling comfortable about it, and I'll need to ruminate and experiment some more. I've got a notion of a
In the following images:
I could also/instead have a notion of a
So the big questions for me to consider: Finally, Mixbox goes a step further which is out of scope for Unicolour: "unmixing" RGB colours back into some approximation of a pigment for the interactive painting. As far as I understand this is done by precomputing a model based on 4 pigments, and a different choice of pigments would require recomputing the model. I don't see this as feasible at runtime for a library. |
Before I shut the door on this, I'll investigate generating reflectance curves from RGB through this method: http://scottburns.us/reflectance-curves-from-srgb-10/. (Given there's no "true" answer and this is finding one of infinite possibilities that would generate a target RGB, any implementation would probably end up as some kind of utility outside of the core Unicolour functions. To let people imagine "but what if I had a pigment that actually looked like If possible, this would necessitate at least the single-constant implementation (a reflectance value per wavelength, not a I'll see where this leads anyway. |
Similar to mixbox (commercial).
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