Possible to set VST I/O Configuration Automatically?

[hockinsk]

I have a VST2/3 plugin (Liquidsonics Cinematic Rooms) that will always load in Stereo I/O even though I've saved the session and graph containing it, configured to 12 Discreet Channels I/O and patched how I need it for subsequent projects. However, when opening these graphs again, nothing is connected and Cinematic Rooms is back to a Stereo configuration as if loaded for the first time and all connections disconnected. Is there any way I can automate this to connect or is it unavoidable due to how VST works? Regards

[mfisher31]

Sounds like a legit bug (reported): https://gitlab.com/kushview/element/-/issues/569 Michael R. Fisher Owner @ Kushview https://kushview.net

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On Saturday, October 8th, 2022 at 6:12 AM, hockinsk ***@***.***> wrote: I have a VST2/3 plugin (Liquidsonics Cinematic Rooms) that will always load in Stereo I/O even though I've saved the session and graph containing it, configured to 12 Discreet Channels I/O and patched how I need it for subsequent projects. However, when opening these graphs again, nothing is connected and Cinematic Rooms is back to a Stereo configuration as if loaded for the first time and all connections disconnected. Is there any way I can automate this to connect or is it unavoidable due to how VST works? Regards [image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1609513/194701620-f3c45ae2-6cb9-4bf6-ad9a-512865ec6569.png) — Reply to this email directly, [view it on GitHub](#639), or [unsubscribe](https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAGW33YXQUJXAPDTYNXLQMDWCFCJPANCNFSM6AAAAAARAGGZPA). You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[mfisher31]

BTW. It should be possible to do it and it recall. Does it work in the standalone version of Element?

[hockinsk]

Doesn't work in Standalone either. Interestingly if I remove the Audio Router and just patch the wires manually, although when I open the session again, it's back to stereo and all disconnected, if I do manually set Cinematic Rooms to be 12 channel i/o again, it all connects itself up. I can see in the graph.egl xml all the connections are there.
I think it might be just how Cinematic Rooms works perhaps. I'm working with it in multichannel mode inside Element, but I'm not on a multichannel ASIO, I wonder if it checks to see how many ports I have, sees it's stereo and so flips itself to stereo mode?

[mfisher31]

It's probably something like that. The code is supposed to save the custom IO, and only load it if was set by user. Otherwise it'll pick the first common configuration. Could be the plugin not understanding how to deal with it's own multi-IO feature... or Element not going through the logical steps correctly.

[hockinsk]

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain this plugin as it seems to just adapt itself to the multi-IO of the host rather than allow the user to decide. I did email them about it, but they weren't interested in resolving it, they said it works in ProTools and that's their main customers. Disappointing really as it's a good reverb for Atmos and Spatial Audio work.

[mfisher31]

Unfortunately that's how it is... most companies only care about the "bottom line"

[hockinsk]

Unfortunately so.
I did just build the same VST and routing setup in Plogue Bidule Standalone and it has saved the connections, but I'm not sure if that means anything as could be loading things in different orders, I'm not sure. If you ever wanted to look into it (I prefer Element to Bidule :) ), the VST is on a 14 day demo. ilok key can be cut and pasted from: https://www.liquidsonics.com/demos/ page.

[mfisher31]

I think Bidule also is using JUCE: probably something on Element's end

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[hockinsk]

All I can think is Liquidsonics maybe gets its I/O channel count from Bidule which I would generally instantiate as 16 channels, whereas Element I set Liquidsonics into the 12 channels from the I/O Configuration settings button after it's loaded into Element.

[RustyFaders001]

Having the same issue with Dirac. I'm outputting from Blackhole 16ch into the Dirac Processor that I configure for 16 I/O in the settings. If I save the config and quit Element then reload, the Dirac Processor defaults to 2 ins and outs with all patches disconnected. I then have to reconfigure Dirac for 16 I/O.

[hockinsk]

There are some plugins (especially VST3) that don't like to play ball outside a DAW with a fixed bus width/format for some reason. Quite frustrating sometimes. I typically switch between Element, Bidule & DDMF. Some plugins work with some hosts, some done, some in VST2, some in VST3 only, you just have to find a combination that works, every plugin developer I talk to just seem to not really understand or pass the buck. It might well just be the framework used to develop though and they're not really consciously coding for any host, it's coded for them largely.