Are there maintainers?

[yuniruyuni]

Note

Sorry, it's not a feature request or a bug report.
It is just for a meta-discussion topic.

Checklists

Do the checklist before filing an issue:

• Is this related to the actions-rs Actions?
  If you think it's a problem related to Github Actions in general, use GitHub Community forum instead: https://github.community
• You've read the Contributing section about feature requests: https://github.com/actions-rs/.github/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#feature-requests
• Is this something you can debug and fix? Send a pull request! Bug fixes and documentation fixes are welcome.

Motivation

• the actions-rs organization's GithubActions are very famous for rustaceans.
  • It is used in a lot of rust projects.
• But it seems not to be maintained now.
  • The latest commit of this organization was 2 months ago and it was created from the auto-merge of Dependabot.
  • The latest human-made merge seems made over 2 years ago if I didn't miss commits.
  • There are many security PullRequests but it isn't merged.
    • Because, recently, all dependabots were forced migrate into Dependabot v2(Github Native). It doesn't have auto-merge.
    • Also it means security problems are happening on a lot of rust projects.
• It means, maybe, there is no maintainer?
  • (Are you ok...?Are you alive...?)

Workflow example

no workflow. maybe we need to discuss how to help maintainers.

Additional context

No additional context.

[06kellyjac]

related #35

There was a contribution on the 8th of Oct so I'm guessing @svartalf is alive 😅 🙏

It would certainly be advisable to get some other maintainers on board both to keep things moving when other maintainers get busy and to avoid the dreaded bus-factor

If not then maybe some of these need to be forked into their parent projects e.g. cargo-audit to rustsec etc. But that will negatively impact the cross-pollination of GH Actions related improvements and @actions-rs/core etc

[yuniruyuni]

There was a contribution on the 8th of Oct so I'm guessing @svartalf is alive 😅 🙏
Ah, @svartalf is safe. That's the nicest point.

It would certainly be advisable to get some other maintainers on board both to keep things moving when other maintainers get busy and to avoid the dreaded bus-factor

I agree that but we need to ask @svartalf that idea and please him configure repositories.
But he might not have time to talk to us so realistically this way cannot take.

If not then maybe some of these need to be forked into their parent projects e.g. cargo-audit to rustsec etc. But that will negatively impact the cross-pollination of GH Actions related improvements and @actions-rs/core etc

so I think it prefers for current situation (for just some critical product of this organization.)

In this case, I think the forked repository should follow policies like:

1. Create a PR new main branch to this main branch. it provides how to import our new changes into this repository.
2. Merge just some critical (security patches, some follow for requests) Pull Requests in the forked repository.

How do you think.

[aminya]

It seems @svartalf is still active. He has left some review comments in this PR:
svartalf/hostname#14

[mzabaluev]

The key questions are whether the current maintainer(s) have interest in continuing with the project, and if not, is there someone that the ownership could be transferred to.

[nickelc]

check out svartalf's comment: actions-rs/cargo#59 (comment)

[aminya]

In this comment, they say they cannot trust third parties for adding new maintainers. What about asking the Rust team to send some maintainers here?

[workingjubilee]

Hello.

I am speaking as merely an individual and my remarks should not be considered an official stance from the Rust project or anything like that. However, it is my opinion that the Rust project and its membership, while trustworthy, is not "magically" trustworthy. To be precise, there are good reasons to trust in Rust, but these reasons do not come from a magical aura that permeates every individual merely upon becoming a team member. To "send over a few maintainers" would risk removing the feedback loops that create that trustworthiness (such as a lot of eyes keeping watch on each other, a lot of people with different use-cases hashing things out from many angles, and so on). And the Rust project has precious little authority to simply dispatch marching orders to a team member to take over a project, as Rust is not a company. Instead, someone would elect themselves to do so.

Neither does that mean svartalf would suddenly assent, either. Much as Rust team members are not employees of the project, neither are we your bosses, and so we would have no especial authority to demand svartalf complies. Nor would I want to, at least. I hope that would be true for the rest of us.

[highb]

I agree with this entirely. Thank you for contributing your personal perspective on it @workingjubilee . We can create a community of trust here on our own without having an official sign off from the rust-lang maintainers. Obviously, they are not a large team and getting them involved in signing off on every community action would not scale. With that understanding, I would like to reach out to encourage @svartalf to consider delegating some of the responsibility on maintenance for these actions to the community because there is a lot here to handle as one person, especially in your spare time. Is there anything we, as users of these actions can do to help build your trust in our contributions @svartalf ? Or should we proceed with forking the actions when necessary, as you've suggested in your comments elsewhere?